The Forum > Philosophy & Religion > Obligatory "Existence of God" Thread
Ardensfax said: I'd say we can't possibly know. There may be, there may not be. I personally don't believe that if there is a God (or gods), it would be anything even remotely like the one described by any major world religion. It may be, but it seems highly improbable to me. If by 'God' you mean a sentient being that conciously or unconciously triggered the creation of the universe, then I'd say I don't have any evidence either way, hence it's possible. Add omnipotence to the mix, and I'd still say possible, but less probably simply because there's still no evidence, but instead of 2 clauses to the description (Sentience and Universe Creation), there's a third, Omnipotence. The Gods represented by major world religions have thousands of clauses to their descriptions, from their appearance, to nature, to the individual acts they supposedly performed. In the absence of any evidence, I hence consider them to be very improbable. (In the case of the Deities described by movements that have been entirely contradicted by our knowledge of modern science, such as young-earth creationism, I would say that they are fundamentally almost entirely impossible, although obviously, given a Deity with omnipotence, you can never rule anything out entirely. Omnipotence is annoying like that.) The question about the existence of "God" is inherently loaded to begin with, because it's already assuming monotheism, patriarchy, and, arguably, Judeo-Christianity. Nevermind . . . If there is one god (and not twelve of them), there is no scientific reason whatsoever to assume that any particular religions, "world", "major" or otherwise, have nailed him down. Because they all come from a particular culture with its own cultural bias. For example, if the Christian god loves us all, why are the Jews his "chosen people". That's bullshit favouritism right there. Why were all his prophets Jewish, why didn't the Bible fall from the sky written in Italian over Italy, Irish over Ireland, Japanese over Japan, German over Germany, et cetera. Why only reveal yourself to one wandering tribe in one corner of the world, and then sit back and watch it gradually spread to other cultures, with all the conflicts, misunderstandings and mistranslations that brings? The Judeo-Christian scriptures have Yahweh declaring "we have made man in our image". Well, man is black, white, yellow, red and brown. What race were Adam and Eve? Jews? So is God a Jew? Well maybe that god is. The Book of Genesis was written by Jews for Jews. Edit: Hah. "Nailed him down". |
Many Christians in this day and age, particularly very well versed and modern Christians accept "making man in God's image" to mean in terms of spirit, we are the only animal that seems to be able to rationalise. This is what is meant by "in God's image" we can create and formulate and reason unlike any other known animal. Even chimps taught sign language are unable to question as we do. |
SporeInsanity said: That would be like saying: How could there be something called residents years ago if this house was just built? Earth is definitely not the only "house" life could exist in. This Universe is increasingly believed to not be the only "house" life could exist in. This amalgamation of Universes and means of existence may not be in its first incarnation, meaning that the entire house as we can understand it may just be an additional wing. So, no--Earth is not like a house for the possible existence of life. Earth is more like the linen closet of a mansion in a neighborhood amongst a giant city in an overpopulated state of a thriving nation on a planet in a solar system of inhabited planets. We don't know that life as it developed on Earth is the only mechanism by which life could exist, and we don't know how often such life develops, or how many opportunities it has had or will have. |
To LoveInVein, God's choosing the Jews as the means for his conveying his message to humanity, while it does show favoritism in a certain specific sense, does not imply that God generally prefers the Jews, that the Jews are especially good or excellent among humans, or that other people are less significant or less loved by God. The Bible (written almost entirely by Jews) makes it clear that the Hebrews were elected to serve in the capacity of bringing forth God's message not by any special qualification but out of God's sovereign arbitration. To each individual regarding one's relationship with God, Jew or Gentile should be irrelevant. Furthermore, the question "does God exist" doesn't necessarily mean Yahweh. It could be alternatively (more formally) expressed as "do any gods exist?" |
Hydrogen777 said: To LoveInVein, God's choosing the Jews as the means for his conveying his message to humanity, while it does show favoritism in a certain specific sense, does not imply that God generally prefers the Jews, that the Jews are especially good or excellent among humans, or that other people are less significant or less loved by God. The Bible (written almost entirely by Jews) makes it clear that the Hebrews were elected to serve in the capacity of bringing forth God's message not by any special qualification but out of God's sovereign arbitration. To each individual regarding one's relationship with God, Jew or Gentile should be irrelevant. Why is the Old Testament exclusively pre-occupied with events in the Middle East? What was happening in the Americas, Sub-Saharan Africa, Europe? Why wasn't Yahweh interested in the people in those parts of the world? Is he the god of all mankind, or the god of the Jews? There is a discrepancy between the Old Testament and the New Testament, Judaism and Christianity. Obviously the Old Testament was written by Jews for Jews, in Hebrew. But I'm not really aware that there's any particular compulsion in Judaism to go around converting people to Judaism. When Yahweh revealed himself to the Jews, was it actually for the purposes of converting the world to Judaism? Because they didn't make much effort to convert people to Judaism, they pretty much just stuck to their own. It wasn't until the early Christians, who were also Jews, spun off from mainstream Judaism and started converting Gentiles that it became a universal religion anyone could adopt. In fact, part of the reason why they abandoned most Old Testament practices such as circumcision and kosher laws was because it put Gentiles off, Having to sort of convert to Judaism first and then convert to Christianty was problematic. Because the early Greek and Roman converts didn't even believe in God the father, let alone God the son. Imagine trying to convince someone who believes in Zeus that Jesus is the son of Yahweh. |
LoveInVein said: You can. I've liked heaps of posts. People have been liking things for thousands of years. |
Hydrogen777 said: talonhand94 said: If the Universe is some how infinite and god is some how infinite, what's this talk of multiple universes? talonhand94 said: And if god is a living being, it couldn't have created the universe because life only showed up around the same time earth did. A few questions remain. What's an Omniverse? Do you mean 'God' is not a super-human but instead a super-duper-alien? How do we know WE aren't 'gods' and we created 'God'? |
"Omniverse" means all of the natural existence, including this universe, the multiverse, the metaverse, and the xenoverse. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omniverse Describing God as some great but finite biological being of any kind, alien or not, seems simplistic. And we know the physical origins of humanity - we evolved on earth. We humans could not therefore be the origins of all that exists, nor could we be gods in any meaningful sense of the term I'm aware of. When you suggest that we created God, I can only assume you mean that the concept "God" is merely a result of human thought and doesn't actually refer to anything "real". I disagree with that opinion, but it is certainly possible. If you literally mean "did humans create God", then with regard to the Judeo-Christian God (Yahweh) the answer is obviously "no", since if God exists, he transcends our universe and ourselves. Again, I don't know of any common conceptions of God for which this would be a possibility. |
Disclaimer : Biased Post . The whole Big Bang theory sounds entirely impossible . I mean , it's all about the entire universe being so dense and hot , and then this thing called "cosmic inflation" happened and the universe grew and the temperature fell . It's to scientific for me to even grasp , but it sounds like bullshit . I believe there is something up there that created us all , but it wouldn't be appropriate to name it . |
Gorgon the Wonder C0w said: At least you recognized that you're being stupid prior to posting that. Are you really trying to say that you would be happier if you and everyone you know believes something easy than something right? I'm not trying to gather up an army of people that think exactly as I do. I'm just stating what I believe. |
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