this is not touchy issue.... well in the internet age it isnt. iv done what im not sure alot of people do now adays besides in cults i made my own religon with its own viwes on the world and a god that in not human and not a guy not sure where i came up with it really but it works for me

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New religions are constantly forming. What do you mean "not human and not a guy"?

I also find non-belief more logical. However, not everyone feels fulfilled by the absence of a god. If it has no negative impacts to believe something which may or may not be true, but many positive ones, I do not think it is so crazy to look at it as a perfectly okay falsehood. Of course, it's definitely deleterious is cases like the Westboro group or when people refuse to learn new things that threaten their religion, but in a case where the religious person believes in god and takes the bible metaphorically, I don't see where it would ever be a problem.

I think a god could exist. I dont know if it would want to be worshiped or not. I dont know if it would even be meant to have a relationship with humans. I dont think a god is something people are designed to be able to comprehend.

There is no solid evidence for the existence of a god or gods. Therefore, I do not believe that a god or gods exist.

Why don't these threads ever take the angle, "Discussion on the various attempts to prove/disprove God and your rebuttals" instead of "GOD IS BELIEVE THING! I DO/DO NOT BELIEVE THING"?

We've had this discussion before, and I'm pretty sure that we've agreed that the non-existence of God is not provable. The existence of God is also probably not provable (barring a sudden increase in the quality and quantity of miracles).

But you can't really know if something can be proven or not proven unless you do prove it or disprove it. Godel's Incompleteness Theorum applies. A steep rise of miracles is circumstantial evidence that could probably be linked to statistical abnormalities.

Besides, there are plenty of proofs for God that exist which are still discussed by modern philosophers. You can't really prove anything is the way it seems, so why let that constraint stop you from discussing God in the same way you'd discuss free will or morality?

I'd just like to see more thoughtful threads on the Internet at large, I guess is what I'm saying.

People using bullshit philosophical theories to try and prove God's existence is not something we need. Really.

And flaming against a well respected academic field is not something we need either. If you're going to make attacks against a field as old as philosophy, bring some evidence to bear. Otherwise, please refrain from unfounded verbal attacks in the future.

Evidence? That'd make a chnage for philosophy.



Yeah, ok. I'm trolling now.

There are empirically-focused schools of thought in philosophy.

"Meddle not in the affairs of philosophers, for they are patient and hold a grudge."

As I can't really counter trolling that doesn't even utilize actual arguments, I'll simply respond by saying that whatever flawed definition of philosophy you have, it does have a basis in logic. Philosophers don't just sit there and think, "Lets figure out what crazy theories we can think of to mess with scientists today." The ones that are historically respected do, in fact, use logic and even science (gasp!) to come to their conclusions about the nature of the universe.

On a slightly random note, I follow the Chorazos cult, which worships Yog-Sothoth.
I am, however, active in the catholic church.

I thought those were the same thing . . .

In essence, yes. But tell a leader of either group that and they would hurt you.

I know God is there because i feel him. I talk with him daily and hold a relationship with him. I do not choose to follow him because i fear eternal damnation, i choose to follow him because with out him i am nothing. I'm not perfect or a goodie goodie. I sin very much on a daily basis, but thats okay. Because our sin is what binds us to God. Without it we wouldnt need him. And because i choose to follow him and accept his son as my lord and savior, I am forgiven. And I am assured a place in his kingdom. This makes me very content. Because everything here is temporary. Your things, your friends, Your life. It is all temporary. Things he has given you that he can take away at any moment. But if you choose him, you can have an eternity of paradise. This life right here, this is an opportunity to choose him and spread his love. Thats all it is.

You "feel" him?

Yes. I feel him. I feel him in my heart.

I used to believe all religion was just brainwashed into peoples minds. That it was total shit based on what you were taught as a child. Ways to make society "behave" or they would burn in hell. And to some extent i still believe that. I completely disagree with organized religion. Religion does not unite christ followers. It divides them. And hey, you put all your eggs in one basket and it might be the wrong one. But you know what, i gave God a chance. And he came into my life and changed everything. I didn't have to change anything about myself. He loves me for me. And i am so ridiculously content. All you have to do is give him one chance.


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Hey, what about the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy theory?

Maybe you weren't aware, but the Touchy Subjects category is pretty much intended for serious discussion. Flippant comments don't really contribute to the thread.

I'm serious... It's actually a very valid point.

I suppose the galaxy could have been sneezed into existence, but I have yet to hear of any human religions that actually believe that.

I was talking about this part:
The Book: The Babel fish is small, yellow, leechlike, and probably the oddest thing in the Universe. It feeds on brainwave energy received not from its own carrier but from those around it. It absorbs all unconscious mental frequencies from this brainwave energy to nourish itself with. It then excretes into the mind of its carrier a telepathic matrix formed by combining the conscious thought frequencies with nerve signals picked up from the speech centers of the brain which has supplied them. The practical upshot of all this is that if you stick a Babel fish in your ear you can instantly understand anything said to you in any form of language. The speech patterns you actually hear decode the brainwave matrix which has been fed into your mind by your Babel fish.
Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-bogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof of the NON-existence of God.
The argument goes like this:
`I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, `for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.'
`But,' says Man, `The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED.'
`Oh dear,' says God, `I hadn't thought of that,' and promptly disappears in a puff of logic.
`Oh, that was easy,' says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.
Most leading theologians claim that this argument is a load of dingo's kidneys, but that didn't stop Oolon Colluphid making a small fortune when he used it as the central theme of his best-selling book, "Well, That about Wraps It Up for God."
Meanwhile, the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation.

Comical, yes. A valid point, I think not. God's existence isn't dependent on faith. Also, the babel fish doesn't exist which nullifies the other half of that argument.